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FULL AUDIO: Naomi Klein on Gaza, Biden, and how the right steals the left’s causes
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FULL AUDIO: Naomi Klein on Gaza, Biden, and how the right steals the left’s causes

The author and activist on the “doppelgänger” effect, the use and misuse of trauma in the war in Gaza, and what she would say to Joe Biden

Today we present for our subscribers the full audio recording of our conversation with the author and activist Naomi Klein.

Klein has written a series of books — among them No Logo and The Shock Doctrine — that have met their cultural moments and changed the way people think and talk. Her work on labor, climate change, globalization, and the other critical issues of our time has driven not just her writing and filmmaking, but a lifetime of activism.

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In a wide-ranging, thoughtful, and challenging conversation, Klein speaks about her most recent book, Doppelgänger, which follows a case of mistaken identity and goes on to explore how the left abandoned political territory to the right and paved the way for the resurgence of fascism. We also discuss how to break the historical cycles of trauma that lock nations into violent solutions, what people need to understand about Israeli politics and why it’s so hard to stop the war in Gaza, and how Biden and the Democrats need to think about the upcoming election.

To read our edited transcript of the conversation, just click on the links below.

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​​Photo by Carsten Koall/Getty Images; Naomi Klein photo by Sebastian Nevols

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