I have had to come to the same conclusion. I feel for Omer and the Israeli people. And I can't express what I feel for all those innocent human beings in Gaza who are being starved to death. Genocide cannot be tolerated for any reason in a civilized world, and yet here we are.
For you to have to say this out loud to the world when it is "your people" is heartbreaking. My heart hurt as you spoke, but my soul rides with yours. I agree with your conclusions regarding the dire consequences of this tragic war. Who could have ever imagined that it is presented in full color on the nightly news?
The human race must destroy the concepts of "manifest destiny" or the "chosen people" or any such religious psycho ideology if we are to evolve. This is the tragic collective history of humankind. It is not exclusive to any one race of people. How can we possibly achieve peace if we can't transcend these old-world myths? We are self-destructing.
In my view, a civilized society must honor truth, integrity, and speak up against immoral and inhumane regimes, no matter who or where they are. We must strive to be citizens of the world first, with an unwavering allegiance to our collective humanity.
You are an inspiration Omer Bartov. Together, let's reach for something higher and summon the courage to hold sacred our humanity. Blessed Be The Journey.
There were hundreds of thousands of Jews and others in displaced persons camps after the war -some for as long as 2 or 3 years. Most of the non- Jews could return to their countries but the Jews could not return to places where their families had been slaughtered. But a "solution" that displaced Palestinians from their land when they had nothing to do with the persecution of Jews in Europe is the genesis of the deep feeling of Palestinian grievance and injustice. But where else could the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust have gone? I've wondered whether a majority of Jewish refugees would rather have come to the U.S. if the U.S. had opened its doors and dropped its anti-semitic quotas.
Right. I'm sure if the U.S. had wanted to it could have carved out a nice chunk of Montana or some other similar state to give to the Jewish people. The "solution" was no solution at all.
Totally agree with Bartov. Israel has, sadly, perfected its aura of victimhood. As such, under its present leadership, it claims unlimited rights to persecute the people of Gaza. How else can Israel justify the forced starvation of Gazans that we see every day?
What a vile comment “it’s aura of victimhood” as if the Jews weren’t victims of atrocities committed against them and that still they deal with around the world on a daily basis. Such a hateful comment!
the bigger picture is the necropolitics that much of the world is embracing, just kill everyone for the sake of those who want everything. Israel, Hamas, ISIS, Trump, Orban, and Jews who join in and also Arabs who do the various forms of fascism, it's so horrible, a the old zionism is struggling, what we have in Israel is kahanism, a match for Islamic Jihad
I appreciate this conversation. I learned a lot about an area I wondered about. Key aha was about how the current US government uses anti-semitism to try to control education. Quite slimy!
I wasn’t suggesting that Jewish refugees needed a state of their own in the U.S. but that they could thrive here as citizens of the u.s., just as my grandparents did when they escaped the anti-Jewish pogroms of the Russian empire and came here in the 1890s. along with millions of others escaping poverty snd tyranny.
Seriously? Many American businesses helped Hitler murder Jews: Ford Motor Company, Coca-Cola, and IBM to name a few. You think the Jewish refugees would have been safer here back then? 🤦🏼♀️
Great discussion
Sincerely grateful for these intelligent, insightful, compassionate discussions.
Thank you for this important and enlightening discussion with Prof. Bartov.
I have had to come to the same conclusion. I feel for Omer and the Israeli people. And I can't express what I feel for all those innocent human beings in Gaza who are being starved to death. Genocide cannot be tolerated for any reason in a civilized world, and yet here we are.
For you to have to say this out loud to the world when it is "your people" is heartbreaking. My heart hurt as you spoke, but my soul rides with yours. I agree with your conclusions regarding the dire consequences of this tragic war. Who could have ever imagined that it is presented in full color on the nightly news?
The human race must destroy the concepts of "manifest destiny" or the "chosen people" or any such religious psycho ideology if we are to evolve. This is the tragic collective history of humankind. It is not exclusive to any one race of people. How can we possibly achieve peace if we can't transcend these old-world myths? We are self-destructing.
In my view, a civilized society must honor truth, integrity, and speak up against immoral and inhumane regimes, no matter who or where they are. We must strive to be citizens of the world first, with an unwavering allegiance to our collective humanity.
You are an inspiration Omer Bartov. Together, let's reach for something higher and summon the courage to hold sacred our humanity. Blessed Be The Journey.
Very well said. Thank you!
I think is important to call it what it is. Because that triggers legal obligations. But whatever it is called it is immoral. And must be stopped.
In other words, genocidal intent or effect is not a prerequisite to action.
There were hundreds of thousands of Jews and others in displaced persons camps after the war -some for as long as 2 or 3 years. Most of the non- Jews could return to their countries but the Jews could not return to places where their families had been slaughtered. But a "solution" that displaced Palestinians from their land when they had nothing to do with the persecution of Jews in Europe is the genesis of the deep feeling of Palestinian grievance and injustice. But where else could the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust have gone? I've wondered whether a majority of Jewish refugees would rather have come to the U.S. if the U.S. had opened its doors and dropped its anti-semitic quotas.
Right. I'm sure if the U.S. had wanted to it could have carved out a nice chunk of Montana or some other similar state to give to the Jewish people. The "solution" was no solution at all.
Wow was this interview good! I learned so much about Israel after WWII that I didn't know. Kudos to this professor for speaking the hard truth.
It was a very good discussion! Thank you!
Great discussion
One of the most insightful, well documented and illuminating discussions on this topic I’ve ever heard. Thank you ! 🙏🏽
Totally agree with Bartov. Israel has, sadly, perfected its aura of victimhood. As such, under its present leadership, it claims unlimited rights to persecute the people of Gaza. How else can Israel justify the forced starvation of Gazans that we see every day?
What a vile comment “it’s aura of victimhood” as if the Jews weren’t victims of atrocities committed against them and that still they deal with around the world on a daily basis. Such a hateful comment!
Mishra, The World After Gaza (2025) Penguin Press
the bigger picture is the necropolitics that much of the world is embracing, just kill everyone for the sake of those who want everything. Israel, Hamas, ISIS, Trump, Orban, and Jews who join in and also Arabs who do the various forms of fascism, it's so horrible, a the old zionism is struggling, what we have in Israel is kahanism, a match for Islamic Jihad
This has been such critically important show. To understand and connect is crucial to finding the way to end it. Viralize!!
I appreciate this conversation. I learned a lot about an area I wondered about. Key aha was about how the current US government uses anti-semitism to try to control education. Quite slimy!
I wasn’t suggesting that Jewish refugees needed a state of their own in the U.S. but that they could thrive here as citizens of the u.s., just as my grandparents did when they escaped the anti-Jewish pogroms of the Russian empire and came here in the 1890s. along with millions of others escaping poverty snd tyranny.
Seriously? Many American businesses helped Hitler murder Jews: Ford Motor Company, Coca-Cola, and IBM to name a few. You think the Jewish refugees would have been safer here back then? 🤦🏼♀️