I have had to come to the same conclusion. I feel for Omer and the Israeli people. And I can't express what I feel for all those innocent human beings in Gaza who are being starved to death. Genocide cannot be tolerated for any reason in a civilized world, and yet here we are.
For you to have to say this out loud to the world when it is "your people" is heartbreaking. My heart hurt as you spoke, but my soul rides with yours. I agree with your conclusions regarding the dire consequences of this tragic war. Who could have ever imagined that it is presented in full color on the nightly news?
The human race must destroy the concepts of "manifest destiny" or the "chosen people" or any such religious psycho ideology if we are to evolve. This is the tragic collective history of humankind. It is not exclusive to any one race of people. How can we possibly achieve peace if we can't transcend these old-world myths? We are self-destructing.
In my view, a civilized society must honor truth, integrity, and speak up against immoral and inhumane regimes, no matter who or where they are. We must strive to be citizens of the world first, with an unwavering allegiance to our collective humanity.
You are an inspiration Omer Bartov. Together, let's reach for something higher and summon the courage to hold sacred our humanity. Blessed Be The Journey.
There were hundreds of thousands of Jews and others in displaced persons camps after the war -some for as long as 2 or 3 years. Most of the non- Jews could return to their countries but the Jews could not return to places where their families had been slaughtered. But a "solution" that displaced Palestinians from their land when they had nothing to do with the persecution of Jews in Europe is the genesis of the deep feeling of Palestinian grievance and injustice. But where else could the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust have gone? I've wondered whether a majority of Jewish refugees would rather have come to the U.S. if the U.S. had opened its doors and dropped its anti-semitic quotas.
Totally agree with Bartov. Israel has, sadly, perfected its aura of victimhood. As such, under its present leadership, it claims unlimited rights to persecute the people of Gaza. How else can Israel justify the forced starvation of Gazans that we see every day?
the bigger picture is the necropolitics that much of the world is embracing, just kill everyone for the sake of those who want everything. Israel, Hamas, ISIS, Trump, Orban, and Jews who join in and also Arabs who do the various forms of fascism, it's so horrible, a the old zionism is struggling, what we have in Israel is kahanism, a match for Islamic Jihad
Great discussion
Thank you for this important and enlightening discussion with Prof. Bartov.
Sincerely grateful for these intelligent, insightful, compassionate discussions.
I think is important to call it what it is. Because that triggers legal obligations. But whatever it is called it is immoral. And must be stopped.
In other words, genocidal intent or effect is not a prerequisite to action.
I have had to come to the same conclusion. I feel for Omer and the Israeli people. And I can't express what I feel for all those innocent human beings in Gaza who are being starved to death. Genocide cannot be tolerated for any reason in a civilized world, and yet here we are.
For you to have to say this out loud to the world when it is "your people" is heartbreaking. My heart hurt as you spoke, but my soul rides with yours. I agree with your conclusions regarding the dire consequences of this tragic war. Who could have ever imagined that it is presented in full color on the nightly news?
The human race must destroy the concepts of "manifest destiny" or the "chosen people" or any such religious psycho ideology if we are to evolve. This is the tragic collective history of humankind. It is not exclusive to any one race of people. How can we possibly achieve peace if we can't transcend these old-world myths? We are self-destructing.
In my view, a civilized society must honor truth, integrity, and speak up against immoral and inhumane regimes, no matter who or where they are. We must strive to be citizens of the world first, with an unwavering allegiance to our collective humanity.
You are an inspiration Omer Bartov. Together, let's reach for something higher and summon the courage to hold sacred our humanity. Blessed Be The Journey.
It was a very good discussion! Thank you!
Great discussion
There were hundreds of thousands of Jews and others in displaced persons camps after the war -some for as long as 2 or 3 years. Most of the non- Jews could return to their countries but the Jews could not return to places where their families had been slaughtered. But a "solution" that displaced Palestinians from their land when they had nothing to do with the persecution of Jews in Europe is the genesis of the deep feeling of Palestinian grievance and injustice. But where else could the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust have gone? I've wondered whether a majority of Jewish refugees would rather have come to the U.S. if the U.S. had opened its doors and dropped its anti-semitic quotas.
Totally agree with Bartov. Israel has, sadly, perfected its aura of victimhood. As such, under its present leadership, it claims unlimited rights to persecute the people of Gaza. How else can Israel justify the forced starvation of Gazans that we see every day?
Mishra, The World After Gaza (2025) Penguin Press
the bigger picture is the necropolitics that much of the world is embracing, just kill everyone for the sake of those who want everything. Israel, Hamas, ISIS, Trump, Orban, and Jews who join in and also Arabs who do the various forms of fascism, it's so horrible, a the old zionism is struggling, what we have in Israel is kahanism, a match for Islamic Jihad
This has been such critically important show. To understand and connect is crucial to finding the way to end it. Viralize!!
Excellent presentation! Thank You!