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The.Ink has for some time been carrying out a post mortem 'season' on what America, and like-minded Americans have done wrong. '

In 1843, Charles Dickens was asked to write a story about the widespread, 'collateral damage' of the 'industrial revolution' in the UK. He didn't. Instead, he wrote a story: 'The Christmas Carol.' What foresight! Alongside Charlie Chaplin, story-telling at it's best!

Simply this ... If we ask any of the current questions circulating virally among the liberal classes, we are wrong, misguided, deluded (add to taste.)

If we ask what we should do about A'I' / machine learning, we are similarly missing the boat.

What we should be asking is: given that machine learning (like many of the machines in the past) is here to stay, and certain to take jobs away from people, what do we need to do about it?

1. Stop thinking about machine learning (or whatever else you want to call it) - 'automated labour' is the best approximation I have.

2. Instead, follow the practice (I know it from reports out of Germany - in 200 or more towns and cities, so far, and in Reading UK's very modest hydro-power project - in both, companies have been set up which include what the Germans, borrowing from engineering call 'greed-brakes.'

3. If we ask what should be done about joblessness or unemployment, per se, we are similarly deluded.

Greed brakes simply take on Dickens's Scrooge problem, up front, call it out, and use existing company law to put a cap on shareholder greed and power (i.e. make it illegal to hold more than a limited amount of shares in any project, &/or to hold more than a certain amount of the value. .

It says nothing about machine learning / A'I'. Instead, it addresses the central issue: monetary and shareholder greed.

The problem is as old as the hills, and is no different from 'modern slavery.' Simply put, the problem is that as soon as one person (or institution) can effectively 'buy' / 'coerce' the behaviour of another person, (make them an offer they can't refuse,) that's slavery. It has to be illegal.

And the key text, by Dickens, was written almost 200 years ago. There is nothing new about 'machine learning;' the alternatives are there for the taking. Nor is there anything fundamentally 'new' about screwing and gouging (aka 'Scrooging') the people who work for you.

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The motto *E Pluribus Unum* doesn't have to mean colonialism, exclusion of dissenters and oligarchy. As Rebecca Solnit says, people of goodwill and wisdom can make the motto credal, democratic, for the benefit of all, here and abroad, people of all kinds and beings sentient and non-sentient. Fairness is a relaxed synonym for justice. For many people, justice is an outgrowth of radical love. If love grows in maturity beyond me and mine to everyone and everything, then justice is honored, dignity is universal, and conflicts are resolved. This growth is work that inspires and can ultimately satisfy. Thanks for sharing Rebecca Solnit's wisdom.

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Excellent. Yes. Spot on. And OMG what a challenging reality and path. So here's my take...

Great example of "oppositional simutaneity". But that's what's REAL and required to accurately see our country, our world, our children, our life, our histories, like it or not; and what's required to develop our WISDOM path/narrative/vision/strategies/policies/truths that will have more universal obvious appeal, and that can reach people's inherent wisdom/hearts.

Trump and the current Oligarchy have the BS sales pitch down to an artform, and have made gazillions. They are the winners of that game, hands down, Boom! No competition. BUT! It's not the only game in town.

This article gives me HOPE and WORDS and DIRECTION forward. It's super challenging and tough, but we can do tough, we have to! Oppositional simultaneity is hard to see and develop and then talk about the country and world in concrete simple terms with your neighbors, it's hard, but we can do hard. Like what we're living right now isnt hard? But also beautiful?

What is this Wisdom thing? For real. How does this wisdom thing impact our country, our children, our climate, our future? What is the tangible narrative? Speaking to the inherent wisdom in us all, vs drowning in this unidimentional sales pitch of nonsense.

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excellent interview, thanks.

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