I’m on “The Ezra Klein Show,” talking about the Epstein class

We discuss how Epstein built his network, the latest revelations from the files, and why everyday Americans -- and not oligarchs -- have found the courage to fight authoritarianism

Anand is today’s guest on The Ezra Klein Show, talking about the Jeffrey Epstein files. Tune in at The New York Times, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Or watch the interview on Ezra Klein’s YouTube channel today after 11:00 a.m. Eastern.

This week, Anand visited “The Ezra Klein Show” to talk about the latest revelations from the Epstein files and the continuing impact of his circle — the Epstein class — as it continues to operate across political parties and ideologies, supporting authoritarians here in the U.S. and around the world. Ezra and Anand talked about:

• The deep solidarity among elites that enabled Epstein’s crimes

• How Epstein baited each of his ultrawealthy marks with the one thing they felt they didn’t have

• Why Epstein’s circle looked away from his 2008 conviction, and how that paved the way for more trafficking and abuse down the line

• How Epstein profited from elite contacts like Elon Musk and Les Wexner

• The cowardice of America’s elites in the Trump era — and the courage of the people, who in Minneapolis and elsewhere are putting their bodies on the line to fight authoritarianism

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